In this episode, we discuss 10 different things that members in a congregation might do to undermine their pastor. Although discussed in a tongue-in-cheek way, it can happen!

Brother to Brother is a podcast focusing on leadership skills and issues that leaders face in serving within the church, hosted by Rod McNair and Jonathan McNair.

13 replies
  1. Johan
    Johan says:


    Me and my wife enjoy your podcast! They are beneficial to us both. I would say ways to help your pastor fail would be to all of a sudden not go to services and livestream everything and encourage others they can do the same. Another one is also when someone is on the speaking schedule and a new Minister comes to the congregation they decide not to be on the speaking schedule from that point on. My wife says also traveling or moving to your old minister’s new area he is in charge of to avoid staying with the new minister in the original congregation.

    Hope you have a blessed Thanksgiving.

  2. Jennie
    Jennie says:

    #10 Treat your minister like he has immortal strength and endurance… My Dad was a minister and left his phone on 24/7 in case any of the brethren had an emergency. But sometimes he would be called up even in the early hours of the morning by someone who had a burning Bible study question 🙂 It was only a handful of people who did that, but perhaps more surprising was how many thought it was perfectly normal to call at 10-12pm for the same reason.

  3. Janice
    Janice says:

    “Never pray for your pastor.This is always true, but it especially helps him, and you, continue to fail when you’ve both misunderstood each other because you followed one of the other suggestions.”
    We’ve really, really been enjoying this series. Thank you both!

  4. Lester
    Lester says:

    First, I want to thank everyone involved with this podcast. Although it is new, with just the few episodes that are posted, they have been very edifying for me personally. That out of the way, my “half” answer would really seem to tie in with many of the others that have already been mentioned. Pastors are people too, they have the same attacks from the adversary—probably more so than the rest of us—because Satan knows that if he can discourage the leadership, the flock can be much more easily ravaged. So, continual discouraging comments/actions can give the adversary place to do just that. Discouraging comments about the pastors delivery of sermons etc., or maybe even sending complaints to HQ, could potentially put doubts in a new pastors mind, as to whether he should continue serving in that capacity. I hope this half answer makes sense. 🥴
    Again, thank you for this new podcast, please keep doing them, because I know of one person for sure that is benefiting. 😁

  5. LaDonna
    LaDonna says:

    Thank you for the creative manner in which you presented this discussion and for allowing an opportunity to leave a comment.

    I think another way we can help our pastor fail is to ask for his counsel on a matter, then question or circumvent his counsel by seeking separate counsel from his wife to see if she agrees with the counsel he gave on the matter.

  6. Richard
    Richard says:

    Great Podcasts! Thank you!
    I got number 10 – If you really want to have you Pastor fail don’t ever invite him into your home, or if you do, never more than once. After all, the pastor may get to know you better and he become a more effective servant in the role God has placed him. Why on earth would you ever want that to happen?

  7. Debbie
    Debbie says:

    I am quite enjoying this series.

    I have also found the posts enlightening.
    Although I do not have a specific point to add to the list, the comment about Church governance struck a cord. How sobering to think that one could dishonor God so profoundly by inconsiderate words and/or actions against one of His ordained, albeit sometimes in ignorance. I will certainly be more mindful of my own words and actions moving forward.

    Thank you to the LE team and those who took the time to make comments.

  8. Jen
    Jen says:

    A person can undermine his pastor by not understanding the purpose and contentment of being a “second fiddler”. Also, we can help our pastor fail if we keep complaining and questioning his decisions behind his back.


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